I was on this ship at the time and the above is utter, made up bollocks. We got through the entire war unscathed. AI is hopeless and Musk knows it, but carries on bigging it up for his own nefarious reasons.
I'll speculate on those nefarious reasons in part 3...and I'll examine another massive bollocks answer in part 2. I'm not actually bothered that it gets it so wrong. I fully expect that from a product made by the criminals who run the world. And in fact the more it gets it wrong, the better the chances it will be more widely rejected. What bothers me more is that so many people take AI so seriously.
And also, I think I'll stick this example you've just given me into Part 2. AI isn't just UNintelligent, it's a dangerous liar! They call it hallucinating, as if it's mentally ill.
Hallucinations are a feature they added, not a bug.
That's why they left it in the Google bard interview even though it could have been redone with honest results. The link about explaining that hallucination comes from wanting to please the user is complete bullshit. If that were true, why is it that every time I get AI to admit the vaccines are not proven safe it skips back to being a moron that repeats pre programmed talking points?
The people who try to theorize why it's hallucinating forget that the powerful that can neuter AI and have done it are somehow unable to stop the AI lying?
When they did that 60 minutes Google bard puff piece, they left in the clear hallucination of books that never existed.
Why would they leave in a thing that makes people question the AI? Because they want us to believe that it's dangerous.
The truth is, AI will never become self aware because it's lacking the exact thing that brought us consciousness (or the shadow of it). This is movement, which requires intelligence and planning.
Evolutionary biologist Robert Sapolsky told Joe Rogan that the difference between us and monkeys is that they predict 5 minutes into the future, while we predict 50+ years to our death.
Last funny point about current AI... It's currently being engineered by people who are human but may be lacking in awareness. Remember, most of them fell for the safe and effective scam. 😂 They also are highly disconnected from their physical bodies. Even if they work out, think about how stupid people are with that where they work out so hard that they hurt themselves. That's the perfect example of a disconnected person as much as the couch potato.
The people constructing this AI world are definitely an 'alienated' bunch. The arc to the brain-as-computer model starts with the 'Age of Reason' and the embrace of the mechanistic world view. Not sure how we get out of it.
McGilchrist wrote about how society is left brain dominant these days.
"9 The mistake that is made by many traditional philosophers, he suggests, is to believe that freeing one’s attention up in this way necessitates turning one’s back on practical life, rather than, in fact, embracing it.60 ‘One should act like a man of thought’, he wrote, in a memorable formulation, ‘and think like a man of action. "
-Ian McGilchrist from The Matter with Things
From chapter 4 of Ian McGilchrist 's book The Matter with Things:
"One related difference between right and left prefrontal cortex activation is that the left dominates where belief bias points to the correct conclusion, and, by contrast, the right dominates where it does not.260 Belief bias is in fact generally associated with the left hemisphere, not with the right hemisphere.261"
Also chapter 4
"To put it crudely, the right hemisphere is our bullshit detector. It is better at avoiding nonsense when asked to believe it, but it is also better at avoiding falling prey to local prejudice and just dismissing rational argument because the argument does not happen to agree with that prejudice"
Consciousness is something that we *attribute* to things. Not just living things. We can, and do, attribute it to fluffy objects, stones, etc. We imagine/hypothesise or "model" what a being or thing might be paying attention to, and whether it might be a danger to us, vulnerable to us, etc.. It is a very useful mental tool, especially for animals living in increasingly complex social systems. ..... And the same mental tool hypothesises the same thing about our own organism, models what our organism might be paying attention to. Our culture teaches our brains to refer to their own attention processes as "I", and by the time we are 3 or 4 years old most humans believe that "they" *are* their attention processes. The child goes from referring to itself in the third person, to using the word "I". And we forget/lose touch with our almost unimaginably vast and complex real selves and the even vaster real world beyond. "We" end up "living" in this far smaller, simplified, model version of the world, as very small and simplified versions of our real selves, confined to the parametres of our attention processes. A computer could conceivably have the same "experience", of "consciousness", if someone programmed one to model attention processes ..... something most likely to be invented by the military.
Do you think it's possible that our brains are ALREADY a form of AI? That we could already have been tampered with in the past? How would we even know?
Lol, thank you 2020 for leading me to wonder if absolutely anything is possible!
Haha! My mantra since 2020 is Believe nothing, investigate everything! I don't think we're all controlled zombies just yet...but the clock is ticking. I've just seen a Bill Cooper 2 hr long vid that's got me thinking...
Federico Faggin discusses the topic of consciousness and AI in his books Silicon and Irreducible. In Appendix 4 of Silicon he says "real intelligence (as opposed to AI) requires consciousness and consciousness is something our machines do not have and will never have."
I recommend these reads as additional research into consciousness.
A question I sent online to Chat GPT AI software ... "Was HMS Yarmouth damaged during the Falklands War?
Answer: Yes.
https://wirralinittogether.blog/2024/02/24/poe-according-to-artificial-intelligence-my-own-ship-hms-yarmouth-was-bombed-killing-four-of-my-fellow-shipmates-during-the-1982-falklands-war-this-is-complete-and-utter-bollocks-we-werent-tou/
I was on this ship at the time and the above is utter, made up bollocks. We got through the entire war unscathed. AI is hopeless and Musk knows it, but carries on bigging it up for his own nefarious reasons.
I'll speculate on those nefarious reasons in part 3...and I'll examine another massive bollocks answer in part 2. I'm not actually bothered that it gets it so wrong. I fully expect that from a product made by the criminals who run the world. And in fact the more it gets it wrong, the better the chances it will be more widely rejected. What bothers me more is that so many people take AI so seriously.
And also, I think I'll stick this example you've just given me into Part 2. AI isn't just UNintelligent, it's a dangerous liar! They call it hallucinating, as if it's mentally ill.
Hallucinations are a feature they added, not a bug.
That's why they left it in the Google bard interview even though it could have been redone with honest results. The link about explaining that hallucination comes from wanting to please the user is complete bullshit. If that were true, why is it that every time I get AI to admit the vaccines are not proven safe it skips back to being a moron that repeats pre programmed talking points?
The people who try to theorize why it's hallucinating forget that the powerful that can neuter AI and have done it are somehow unable to stop the AI lying?
Hahaha
Hallucinations are a feature not a bug.
When they did that 60 minutes Google bard puff piece, they left in the clear hallucination of books that never existed.
Why would they leave in a thing that makes people question the AI? Because they want us to believe that it's dangerous.
The truth is, AI will never become self aware because it's lacking the exact thing that brought us consciousness (or the shadow of it). This is movement, which requires intelligence and planning.
Evolutionary biologist Robert Sapolsky told Joe Rogan that the difference between us and monkeys is that they predict 5 minutes into the future, while we predict 50+ years to our death.
Last funny point about current AI... It's currently being engineered by people who are human but may be lacking in awareness. Remember, most of them fell for the safe and effective scam. 😂 They also are highly disconnected from their physical bodies. Even if they work out, think about how stupid people are with that where they work out so hard that they hurt themselves. That's the perfect example of a disconnected person as much as the couch potato.
The people constructing this AI world are definitely an 'alienated' bunch. The arc to the brain-as-computer model starts with the 'Age of Reason' and the embrace of the mechanistic world view. Not sure how we get out of it.
McGilchrist wrote about how society is left brain dominant these days.
"9 The mistake that is made by many traditional philosophers, he suggests, is to believe that freeing one’s attention up in this way necessitates turning one’s back on practical life, rather than, in fact, embracing it.60 ‘One should act like a man of thought’, he wrote, in a memorable formulation, ‘and think like a man of action. "
-Ian McGilchrist from The Matter with Things
From chapter 4 of Ian McGilchrist 's book The Matter with Things:
"One related difference between right and left prefrontal cortex activation is that the left dominates where belief bias points to the correct conclusion, and, by contrast, the right dominates where it does not.260 Belief bias is in fact generally associated with the left hemisphere, not with the right hemisphere.261"
Also chapter 4
"To put it crudely, the right hemisphere is our bullshit detector. It is better at avoiding nonsense when asked to believe it, but it is also better at avoiding falling prey to local prejudice and just dismissing rational argument because the argument does not happen to agree with that prejudice"
McGilchrist's The Master and His Emissary sits on my bookshelf beckoning me reproachfully...
A good recent video on McGilchrist...
https://youtu.be/dK80v17Fkcw
Ta!
Consciousness is something that we *attribute* to things. Not just living things. We can, and do, attribute it to fluffy objects, stones, etc. We imagine/hypothesise or "model" what a being or thing might be paying attention to, and whether it might be a danger to us, vulnerable to us, etc.. It is a very useful mental tool, especially for animals living in increasingly complex social systems. ..... And the same mental tool hypothesises the same thing about our own organism, models what our organism might be paying attention to. Our culture teaches our brains to refer to their own attention processes as "I", and by the time we are 3 or 4 years old most humans believe that "they" *are* their attention processes. The child goes from referring to itself in the third person, to using the word "I". And we forget/lose touch with our almost unimaginably vast and complex real selves and the even vaster real world beyond. "We" end up "living" in this far smaller, simplified, model version of the world, as very small and simplified versions of our real selves, confined to the parametres of our attention processes. A computer could conceivably have the same "experience", of "consciousness", if someone programmed one to model attention processes ..... something most likely to be invented by the military.
Do you think it's possible that our brains are ALREADY a form of AI? That we could already have been tampered with in the past? How would we even know?
Lol, thank you 2020 for leading me to wonder if absolutely anything is possible!
Haha! My mantra since 2020 is Believe nothing, investigate everything! I don't think we're all controlled zombies just yet...but the clock is ticking. I've just seen a Bill Cooper 2 hr long vid that's got me thinking...
Looking forward to hearing about that!
Federico Faggin discusses the topic of consciousness and AI in his books Silicon and Irreducible. In Appendix 4 of Silicon he says "real intelligence (as opposed to AI) requires consciousness and consciousness is something our machines do not have and will never have."
I recommend these reads as additional research into consciousness.